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What is your opinion of the new 2010 Can Am ATV Lineup?
What do you think of the new 2010 Can Am ATV Lineup?
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Other than price, I like the new line-up. That's not to say it couldn't have been better.
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I am with ya. I did like it for the most part. Just wish they had a bit more toughness.
i can't believe i'm the only one who could care less about power steering, and wants a bigger motor! i like power steering in my cars, my pickup and the tractor-trailer that i drive. i just don't understand why it's necessary on an atv? are dirt bikes next? :rotfl: for years, i rode a full-time 4WD foreman and it had it's moments where steering took a little effort, so maybe i'm a little more adept at maneuvering through the trails now. for what it's worth, my 14 year old daughter, who's 5'7" and weights 120 lbs. can operate the foreman pretty well when her bayou is down. i'm sure she'd prefer power steering, though.
as for more power, i agree that the 800 is powerful, but i'm always gonna look for more. i rarely see the opportunity to max out the top end, but more bottom end grunt would be awesome. i'd feel more comfortable running larger tires with a little more oomph.
as for more power, i agree that the 800 is powerful, but i'm always gonna look for more. i rarely see the opportunity to max out the top end, but more bottom end grunt would be awesome. i'd feel more comfortable running larger tires with a little more oomph.
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Power steering is an awesome innovation. I just think it's cool. Not saying I can't do without it. Obviously I can cause I've never had it. LOL. As far as the power goes, I say the 800R is plenty strong. Not to say I wouldn't want to ride a larger bore, just not because I think it's needed, but just because. Low end oomph...I'm hoping the Dalton Kit I'm going to install will help in that department. Bull750 made some very good observations when racing a outlander 800 with his BF750.
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Well stray, I was one of the naysayers when Yamaha released the EPS on the Grizzly. I never bought it because of EPS, simply because of the Grizzly reliability. But once I had the power steering I always said I would have trouble doing without it. Can I live without it? Most certainly. But there are some situations where EPS is very handy and it offeres very little negative effect to the machine. Additionally, the power steering behaves much like a steering damper, you get much less feedback into the handlebars that you do with one without. Heritage1, captjack, Hebs and myself will typically ride 100-125 miles a day. 3 of us have 700 Grizzlies, one has a 750 BF. Guess who is fastest? Guess who is the most tired? Both answers are the same. All I am saying is that the EPS is a great feature for some. For others it's no big deal.
Am I defending power steering on an ATV? Yes I guess I am, I think it is a fantastic ad on and will also allow certain other groups who would normally be prevented from participating in out sport to enjoy it also. I had predicted once the by 2010 every ATV on the market would have this, we are only waiting for Kawasaki to step it up.
Am I defending power steering on an ATV? Yes I guess I am, I think it is a fantastic ad on and will also allow certain other groups who would normally be prevented from participating in out sport to enjoy it also. I had predicted once the by 2010 every ATV on the market would have this, we are only waiting for Kawasaki to step it up.
i hear what you're sayin, GW. i just had different expectations, i guess. you're 100% correct in that it will allow some riders who normally would be unable to control these machines to ride, however there is a down side. alot of the atv accidents that garner media attention result from inexperienced riders (usually children) who attempt to make turns at a speed that is too high, causing a rollover. i'm not saying the PS will make that any worse, but it may make it easier for inexperienced riders to lose control. i certainly hope not, but i do feel it is a concern. i also agree with your comment regarding the dampening effect. but, it seems the manufacturers skipped over the idea of simply adding a steering stabilizer and went right to PS. i imagine the average buyer would laugh at the idea of a $500 price increase for a steering stabilizer. although, those of us who have them would probably never own another atv without one. i haven't heard many comments about the front torsion bar - what does everyone think about it?
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Yes your right about the inexperienced riders. However, my idea were the riders with more physical debilitation's. For instance, I have a friend who has suffered a shoulder injury; ordinarily he struggles just to be able to ride his quad around his farm. Last year he rode my Grizzly and was actually able to steer it. Now he owns a Grizzly with EPS. As for the damping effect, I don't think this was an intentional idea when they create the EPS on ATV's it just works that way.
Average riders do not consider a steering stabilizer, and in most cases te average rider doesn't need one. I have never needed one on any of my quads until I got my sport quad. And you saw the type of riding I do with it. There are pro's who like them and many who hate them. Many only want them for the sheer bling rating and will never push a machine to the limits in which a damper is necessary.
The front tortion bar can only help. You fellas with more seat time on the older models are better judges as to how the Gade handles. I am not the biggest fan of the Gade's handling characteristis myself so hopefully the torsion bar will help that.
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Well having gone from a Grizz700 with EPS to a Gade-X, I can say the biggest thing I immediately and still miss about my Grizz was the power steering. A grizzly (without EPS) in 4 wheel diff lock mode is a bear to steer. However, with EPS, I was able to steer it in 4wd diff lock mode single-handedly with no effort where my friend with a 660 was struggling to turn his with both arms in diff lock mode.
So, that being said, I had originally said that if can-am brought power steering to the 2010 i would sell my 09 800-X as quick as I could and buy the 2010. However, they priced it too high so they won't be getting that money from me. It's very possible that due to their elevated pricing scheme, in a year or so I will sell mine to buy something bigger that is priced more intelligently. Don't get me wrong, I love my Gade but I ain't one to keep stuff very long before I get bored and want to swap up. However, I think 12,200 for a 4-wheeler is almost a pompous expectation on their part.
So, that being said, I had originally said that if can-am brought power steering to the 2010 i would sell my 09 800-X as quick as I could and buy the 2010. However, they priced it too high so they won't be getting that money from me. It's very possible that due to their elevated pricing scheme, in a year or so I will sell mine to buy something bigger that is priced more intelligently. Don't get me wrong, I love my Gade but I ain't one to keep stuff very long before I get bored and want to swap up. However, I think 12,200 for a 4-wheeler is almost a pompous expectation on their part.
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Screw power steering! When I got my V someone asked me what I was going to do without power steering. I said :what do I need power steering for? The front wheels never touch the ground."
Same should hold true for the Gade!
Same should hold true for the Gade!
Amen!! I've had the same prob with my Brute!screw power steering! When i got my v someone asked me what i was going to do without power steering. I said :what do i need power steering for? The front wheels never touch the ground."
same should hold true for the gade!
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Just learn to steer a wheelie. :headbang:
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