Alrighty then, well my wife is going to let me get the HMF exhaust and an EFI controller for my renegade in June. I'm pretty stoked but I have been wondering about a clutch kit. Since I put the ITP SS312's on, the power seems to have suffered very slightly. It's still all kinds of fun to ride but I would love to add more power. My question is whether a Dalton Clutch Kit will do it for me in addition to the exhaust and EFI controller. I've heard good things but I'm not entirely sure what the tradeoffs might be. Any help would be more than appreciated.
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Mike, I agree with Nate about calling Dalton. I'm not sure if you bumped up the tire size from the factory 25" or not. But, even if you left the tires stock size, it is my understanding that Dalton has a setup for stock size tires that is suppoed to provide good results for the gade. I'm thinking it is the green/tan spring but could be wrong.
You can also change the helix in the clutch and put in a 650 helix but I'm not very knowledgeable on it. I know it changes clutch engagement RPMs and costs around $40 from a can-am dealer.
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You can also change the helix in the clutch and put in a 650 helix but I'm not very knowledgeable on it. I know it changes clutch engagement RPMs and costs around $40 from a can-am dealer.
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Visit Dalton Industries Ltd. or email them at [email protected]
As I mentioned, they have some very knowledgable staff and great customer service. I just ordered a kit from them this morning.
As I mentioned, they have some very knowledgable staff and great customer service. I just ordered a kit from them this morning.
Hey guys, I had gone up to 27" Mud Lites on my '07 gade, bought a Dalton kit from my local dealer at the same time, but didn't know enough about enough to get in there and DIY. Now I'm wondering if I got taken for a ride? All I got back was a box with the 2 springs, and a Dalton sticker, should I have gotten my old helix back as well? Thanks guys, any info would be great!:seesaw:
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I'm not real sure what you are saying there, but if I understand correctly, you had a Dalton Kit installed by the dealer. If this is the case, you should have only gotten the primary and/or secondary spring(s) back from the install. The helix is not part of the kit as far as I know.
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The Dalton kit does not come with a helix.
It's hard to know if you got taken though if you're referring to price without us knowing what you paid for the kit and installation.
It's hard to know if you got taken though if you're referring to price without us knowing what you paid for the kit and installation.
Thanks for the info guys. I bought the tires and Dalton kit from the dealer, who installed both. I was just wondering if the deler, knowing that I was going to put 27" tires on would have changed the helix, or if it came in the clutch kit at all. Thanks again
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Dealers generally don't have that much intution. :beer"
And to reinforce B-Dub's statement, I looked Dalton's site and the Gade kit does not come with the Helix, as I suspected.
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I have an AAEN exhaust on my 800-x and a Dalton, plus a fuel controller that has not yet been dyno tuned. I have not been beat by anyone.
The AAEN exhaust puts out a lot of power and is ceramic so it reduces heat too.
My clutch is gonna be sent off in about 2 weeks, assuming I can get on a dyno before then, to have the face reworked, the ramps redone, and it promperly weighted. I am sending it with my Dalton weight b/c that makes the job easier for them. They will actually reweight the dalton and stock weights. From what I have read about the guy doing it on multiple forums, he knows his clutch shanizzle and makes miraculous improvement on can-am and artic cat through the entire range, plus it adds 8-10mph on the top, which I don't care about. His job for the primary and seconday clutch is 500 if you already have 3 dalton weights. Can you believe those weights retail for 60 each!?!?!?!
Anyway, I'm gonna dyno and tune my fuel controller before I send my clutches to him. If I send out to him on Monday, he receives Wednesday and ships them back out wednesday so I receive on Friday.
I will know more once I get mine back in a few weeks. I will say I have another 800-X that stays at my house that is a friend's. It is identical to mine in every way but no clutch work and no pipe and he can't believe the power difference with the AAEN and Dalton. With the airdam clutch work, it should surely impress.
What RPM does your quad start to move just easing on the throttle at idle and at what RPM does it shiftout? Shiftout should occur somewhere around 7000 RPMs, maybe more, maybe less. I think in stock form it shifts out at 6900 and with a Dalton maybe 7300ish.
The AAEN exhaust puts out a lot of power and is ceramic so it reduces heat too.
My clutch is gonna be sent off in about 2 weeks, assuming I can get on a dyno before then, to have the face reworked, the ramps redone, and it promperly weighted. I am sending it with my Dalton weight b/c that makes the job easier for them. They will actually reweight the dalton and stock weights. From what I have read about the guy doing it on multiple forums, he knows his clutch shanizzle and makes miraculous improvement on can-am and artic cat through the entire range, plus it adds 8-10mph on the top, which I don't care about. His job for the primary and seconday clutch is 500 if you already have 3 dalton weights. Can you believe those weights retail for 60 each!?!?!?!
Anyway, I'm gonna dyno and tune my fuel controller before I send my clutches to him. If I send out to him on Monday, he receives Wednesday and ships them back out wednesday so I receive on Friday.
I will know more once I get mine back in a few weeks. I will say I have another 800-X that stays at my house that is a friend's. It is identical to mine in every way but no clutch work and no pipe and he can't believe the power difference with the AAEN and Dalton. With the airdam clutch work, it should surely impress.
A helix does not come in the clutch kit. Do you know he installed one or are you just hoping? A helix is gonna change clutch engagement RPMs and probably the shiftout RPMs.
What RPM does your quad start to move just easing on the throttle at idle and at what RPM does it shiftout? Shiftout should occur somewhere around 7000 RPMs, maybe more, maybe less. I think in stock form it shifts out at 6900 and with a Dalton maybe 7300ish.
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Def get the clutch kit. You will be amazed if you set it up right. Then if you want exhaust with some real gains, get the LTE true dual system. And laugh at the poor folks riding behind you. :evil6:
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Well I say the AAEN is the best power myself and it does not add a turd-load of noise as any true dual setup will add. AAEN actually told me that in their testing, they could not find any more power from doing a dual setup over their slip-on on a Renegade, but they tried.
Again, I have NEVER been beat and I will challenge anything, whether it be a sport quad or what. I recommend the AAEN. The Dalton setup provides substantial gains like a bullet shooting past people on a drag race.
However, as I said, I am gonna couple my Dalton weights with the Airdam clutch resurfacing and remachining to get the best of both worlds and then be untouchable!
I am also running a Dobeck III fuel controller on mine as of 2 weeks ago.
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Again, I have NEVER been beat and I will challenge anything, whether it be a sport quad or what. I recommend the AAEN. The Dalton setup provides substantial gains like a bullet shooting past people on a drag race.
However, as I said, I am gonna couple my Dalton weights with the Airdam clutch resurfacing and remachining to get the best of both worlds and then be untouchable!
I am also running a Dobeck III fuel controller on mine as of 2 weeks ago.
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You might get me...but you wouldn't burn me (until we hit the turns). It seems my quads corning abilility has deteriorated significantly. LTE Produces some gains. Nothing to snub your nose at. And the sound will make you cream. But this is about clutches...sorry. I'm really anxious to read about that resurfacing dig you've got lined up. Sounds interesting.
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What is going on with the cornering ability? Hard to steer, doesn't track well or what?
As for the clutch work I am going to have done, the only hold up at this point is waiting on the Dyno get to get his software fixed. Once I get my Dobeck dialed in and can see exactly where my shiftout is so I can let the clutch guy know, then I will send the primary and secondary complete setup to him.
One thing he does is resurface the face of the sheaves for better grip. My first thought was that if you're making it so the belt doesn't slip at all, that this could cause premature belt wear. he said it is actually just the opposite and that with the belt slipping, THAT causes premature belt wear and that when he resurfaces, the belts are actually lasting a good bit longer. The other thing he does is pull all the weights out, welds on them in certain places and then balances them. When he is moving the weight distribution around on the weight itself, it is changing shift pattern to give more power throughout the shift. Lastly, the other machining work he does allows the belt to get higher on the sheave which results in 8-10mph top speed increase. That doesn't mean anything to me since I've only run mine top speed twice, but is just an added bonus I guess.
He and a guy that has a race shop told me that at the recent events they went to, when people at the drag race saw how the race shop guy's bone stock outlander performed, that they had 5 guys pull their clutches off for him to take home and work for them.
Example: The guy with the race shop has a bone stock 09 outty except for the airdam clutch work. A guy at the race had a 2010 Renegade Xxc that had an exhaust, a Dalton, and had the stock ECU changed over to race mode. Yes, that is an option through the dealer software on the 2010 Xxc. Anyway, in a drag race, the Outty beat the Xxc by 3-4 bike lengths. Sounds impressive huh. We'll see!
As for the clutch work I am going to have done, the only hold up at this point is waiting on the Dyno get to get his software fixed. Once I get my Dobeck dialed in and can see exactly where my shiftout is so I can let the clutch guy know, then I will send the primary and secondary complete setup to him.
One thing he does is resurface the face of the sheaves for better grip. My first thought was that if you're making it so the belt doesn't slip at all, that this could cause premature belt wear. he said it is actually just the opposite and that with the belt slipping, THAT causes premature belt wear and that when he resurfaces, the belts are actually lasting a good bit longer. The other thing he does is pull all the weights out, welds on them in certain places and then balances them. When he is moving the weight distribution around on the weight itself, it is changing shift pattern to give more power throughout the shift. Lastly, the other machining work he does allows the belt to get higher on the sheave which results in 8-10mph top speed increase. That doesn't mean anything to me since I've only run mine top speed twice, but is just an added bonus I guess.
He and a guy that has a race shop told me that at the recent events they went to, when people at the drag race saw how the race shop guy's bone stock outlander performed, that they had 5 guys pull their clutches off for him to take home and work for them.
Example: The guy with the race shop has a bone stock 09 outty except for the airdam clutch work. A guy at the race had a 2010 Renegade Xxc that had an exhaust, a Dalton, and had the stock ECU changed over to race mode. Yes, that is an option through the dealer software on the 2010 Xxc. Anyway, in a drag race, the Outty beat the Xxc by 3-4 bike lengths. Sounds impressive huh. We'll see!
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You're right bro. That sounds impressive. Very impressive. And the work sounds logical too. Make sure to keep us in the loop on that.
As far as my handling goes, it's kinda like driving one of those bobble head dolls I think. Seems very very soft. And then the damn tires man. I can't keep air in one, even with slime. And they catch almost too well when going into a turn at speed. Of course I did get used to driving in snow where all you gotta do is think sideways and you would go. Maybe I just gotta learn to ride dirt again.
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I will definitely keep everyone in the loop. He does a Turdload of clutch work on Artic Cats and is a very popular dude in the artic cat forums. I know one thread on highlifter and another on artic cat chat might as well just have an entire board dedicated just to him with all of the praises of his work.
As for your handling, that seems odd that the shocks all the sudden seem soft. Have you jumped it or anything and possibly blown a seal? Have you adjusted them slightly tighter to see if it helps with the bobble-head factor?
In regards to your tire, I assume you have mixed a bottle of soapy water and soaped it down real well to see where the bubbles are coming from, right? Ya kn0ow, it could be a valve stem core is leaking cuz I am doubting that slime will get up in the valve stem and seal it up since when you put air in it, it would blow any slime out of the stem that was left over. I would squirt the valve stem real good and swirl it all around too to see if you can see a leak bubble around it.
As for your handling, that seems odd that the shocks all the sudden seem soft. Have you jumped it or anything and possibly blown a seal? Have you adjusted them slightly tighter to see if it helps with the bobble-head factor?
In regards to your tire, I assume you have mixed a bottle of soapy water and soaped it down real well to see where the bubbles are coming from, right? Ya kn0ow, it could be a valve stem core is leaking cuz I am doubting that slime will get up in the valve stem and seal it up since when you put air in it, it would blow any slime out of the stem that was left over. I would squirt the valve stem real good and swirl it all around too to see if you can see a leak bubble around it.
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The outty has been jumped, but nothing extreme. I have played with the shock settings too. As much as I've complained about my tires, I haven't taken the time investigate it. I'll just do what I always do, load it up with air and use my slime pump if it gets too bad. lol.
When I get the quad back home, I'll check out the tire real good. And the next time I get to really ride, I'll play with the shocks some more. Last couple of weeks have been working with the quad not playing with it.
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When I get the quad back home, I'll check out the tire real good. And the next time I get to really ride, I'll play with the shocks some more. Last couple of weeks have been working with the quad not playing with it.
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