motor seized????

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MonsterGrizzly

Discussion Starter · Aug 8, 2009 (Edited)

kk..i swamped.. soo i drained the oil, pulled the plug hit the start button to get the rest of the water otu of it.. it was turning over fine then it stopped... and now when i try to start it.... it tries but won't turn over... a mechanic/buddy/boss said that if i can turn the belt still, it's not seized.. i can still turn the belt... i asked a friend that works at yamaha (not a mechanic) he said maybe your fuses are blown.... i tried agian to start it today.. and the overhead cam light flashes, and it says the diff is lock... and if you hold it... this round cylinder thing with awire attached to it smokes.. any thoughts??? this i for a 700 grizz.. thanks ahead

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GRIZZLYWIZARD

· #2 · Aug 9, 2009

I don't understand what the round cylinder thing with wires attached even it. Can you be a bit more specific?

With all of those sensor lights on, it sounds more electrical in nature. Like water in the ECU or something. The cam light could either be that the crank position sensor is wet and faulted or again water in the ECU.

When you say it tries, sounds more like the starter solenoid is shorting (round cylinder thing with wires attached).

My suggestion, get some Marvel Mystery Oil or good old diesel, a new filter and get in in their and manually rotate the engine if possible. This will displace any remaining water. Do this a few times and then let it sit a while to completely dry.

While it is drying, pull the plastics, pull all the electrical connections and fill with dielectric grease.

Report back about the round cylinder thing with wires attached for further instructions.

MonsterGrizzly

Discussion Starter · #3 · Aug 9, 2009

GRIZZLYWIZARD said:
I don't understand what the round cylinder thing with wires attached even it. Can you be a bit more specific?

With all of those sensor lights on, it sounds more electrical in nature. Like water in the ECU or something. The cam light could either be that the crank position sensor is wet and faulted or again water in the ECU.

When you say it tries, sounds more like the starter solenoid is shorting (round cylinder thing with wires attached).

My suggestion, get some Marvel Mystery Oil or good old diesel, a new filter and get in in their and manually rotate the engine if possible. This will displace any remaining water. Do this a few times and then let it sit a while to completely dry.

While it is drying, pull the plastics, pull all the electrical connections and fill with dielectric grease.

Report back about the round cylinder thing with wires attached for further instructions.

kk man... you know where your breather is right??.. well it's like right under there.. tmr i'll get a picture for yu... but im not gonna attempt this until my buddy comes over hes alot better at this stuff then me... im still trying to learn

... thanks wizard

MonsterGrizzly

Discussion Starter · #4 · Aug 11, 2009

update...

Motor is seized.... we put deisel fuel down the spark plug hole to get the rid of the rust and tmr if i can't hand crank it.... imma clean the shop and when my buddy done work.. rip her apart and rebuild... soo i can bring that mud hog back to life!

GRIZZLYWIZARD

· #5 · Aug 11, 2009

Let's hope you don't have a bent crank. This is sometimes an issue when you try to compress water instead of air n these things.

MonsterGrizzly

Discussion Starter · #6 · Aug 11, 2009

GRIZZLYWIZARD said:
Let's hope you don't have a bent crank. This is sometimes an issue when you try to compress water instead of air n these things.

no it's seized from getting water out of the cylinder with no oil... i don't know what i was thinking :club: but it's gonna cost me.. soo im gonna think more next time i swamp it...

midgetracer

· #7 · Aug 11, 2009

MonsterGrizzly said:
no it's seized from getting water out of the cylinder with no oil... i don't know what i was thinking :club: but it's gonna cost me.. soo im gonna think more next time i swamp it...

that stinks

hope you get it fixed soon

1Bad1000Xxc

· #8 · Aug 11, 2009

So you were turning the engine over with no oil in the bottom end at all????

MonsterGrizzly

Discussion Starter · #9 · Aug 11, 2009

B-Dub said:
So you were turning the engine over with no oil in the bottom end at all????

basically

GRIZZLYWIZARD

· #10 · Aug 11, 2009

Why were you turning over the motor without any oil? I understand to pump the water out.

MonsterGrizzly

Discussion Starter · #11 · Aug 11, 2009

GRIZZLYWIZARD said:
Why were you turning over the motor without any oil? I understand to pump the water out.

thats what i was doing.... gettin the water out... i still aint motor smart i didn't relize that it would seize!..... oh well it's done know.. gonna go the shop in a bit see if i can hand crank it... and if not try and 5:00PM and if not then... mom told me to start cleaning a spot in the shop..

lol

GRIZZLYWIZARD

· #12 · Aug 11, 2009

OK, I think I am following you now.

You swamped it, it shut down.

You then got it back to the shop, and drained the oil and water out?

You then proceeded to turn the motor over to try and pump the remaining water out of the top end without replacing the motor oil.

1Bad1000Xxc

· #13 · Aug 11, 2009

Eeeek!!! That'll stick one for sure.

You could skeet WD-40 or marvel mystery oil down in the plug hole and let it sit, then slowly turn it a bit by hand to see if it will unstick. However, I'm guessing a cylinder honing will definitely be in order at the least.

Since you weren't turning high RPMs, maybe that is all it will need but don't count on it.

MonsterGrizzly

Discussion Starter · #14 · Aug 11, 2009

GRIZZLYWIZARD said:
OK, I think I am following you now.

You swamped it, it shut down.

You then got it back to the shop, and drained the oil and water out?

You then proceeded to turn the motor over to try and pump the remaining water out of the top end without replacing the motor oil.

heres the REALLY bad part.. it sat for day and half ... i threw it in the shop left i had to work... i work my dads best friend farming partner and my neighbuer... soo i couldn't say can i have a day off??... soo i worked then the next morning started working on it... and no i did not put any more oil into.. after it seized i filled that bi*** up though

MonsterGrizzly

Discussion Starter · #15 · Aug 11, 2009

B-Dub said:
Eeeek!!! That'll stick one for sure.

You could skeet WD-40 or marvel mystery oil down in the plug hole and let it sit, then slowly turn it a bit by hand to see if it will unstick. However, I'm guessing a cylinder honing will definitely be in order at the least.

Since you weren't turning high RPMs, maybe that is all it will need but don't count on it.

diesel man that what we used... soppose to be really good for cleaning.

GRIZZLYWIZARD

· #16 · Aug 11, 2009

Yeah, I doubt you did a lot of major damage. A new piston, rings and a bore will definitely be required though that's for sure.

1Bad1000Xxc

· #17 · Aug 11, 2009

Don't forget you will need to also order the top and bottom cylinder gasket as well. Better find that shop manual too.

MonsterGrizzly

Discussion Starter · #18 · Aug 11, 2009

B-Dub said:
Don't forget you will need to also order the top and bottom cylinder gasket as well. Better find that shop manual too.

lol thanks!... you wouldn't happen to know the torque specs on the crankshaft would you??? me and my buddy looked for an hour yesterday... couldnt find them

1Bad1000Xxc

· #19 · Aug 11, 2009

Why would you need to know that for a top-end job?

MonsterGrizzly

Discussion Starter · #20 · Aug 11, 2009

B-Dub said:
Why would you need to know that for a top-end job?

because you pull that plug off on the side.. turn the bolt too see if your engine seized.. we turned it the wrong way and loosened it.. and we need the "proper" torque specs to tightin it... but im sure it's fine since it only turns the one way.. lol

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