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I received my Extreme Products lift today and had it installed 3 hours and 45 mins later. It raised me from 12 1/2 inches to 14 1/2 with 28" tires. I just rode it around a little but it sure did handle better. xpatv.com
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they make lifts and bumpers for almost all makes and models of utility atv and utv
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I got some riding time in and man does it make a difference. More stable better handling. It rode like it had 26" tires and I have 28" on it. Handled awesome on off camber trails.
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what kinda lift did ya put on that bruin, Bandit?
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That is why I looked long and hard for a lift that made the bike handle better.
I understand the want for a lift if you're into playing in the mud and running big tires. I see the merits/benefits of using this. I just still can't grasp the concept of it making a better handling quad. Stiffening a suspension and technically raising the center of gravity go completely against all laws of phyics and engineering for the creation of a better handling ride. That would be like Chevrolet lifting a Corvette and adding 33" tires and saying it handles better this way. LOL
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It does stiffen the suspension and relocates the shock mounting points. This keeps the tires from rolling under the bike which makes it more stable in off camber riding as well as throwing it into the turns. This is why the Extreme Products lift works so well for me. It makes the bike handle with 28's like it has the 26's back on it. Check it out http://www.xpatv.com/
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I think what was done essentially was stretch the springs a bit and re-angled the shock geometry making the suspension stiffer. This was something that the 660 needed desperately in my opinion. I am not sure as how it will help the high speed characteristics. To me it would appear that by changing the tire / hub geometry my moving the shocks more vertical, you subtract tire surface area.
Another problem I have always seen with the ATV lifts is it will take away handling when traversing off-camber situations.
Another problem I have always seen with the ATV lifts is it will take away handling when traversing off-camber situations.
Installing the lift does not change the hub geometry. We are not using a strut on this bike. You have a double a-arm set up so the hub retains the factory alignment. What we did do was change the shock angle so you get the coil to load faster for the same amount of movement. The steeper the angle of the shock the less movement you get versus tire movement. (This proably could be explained a lot better but take a lot more room)
The main problem with the Griz is the front is too soft, the coil rate is only 100# per inch, this causes the front to feel like it is rolling under as you turn. I also read a statement as to a Corvette's handling. A Corvette has very firm suspension to allow you to corner without any squat on the outside plus they have a very heavy sway bar which comes into play to keep the platform level and controlable. Not a good comparison, this is like comparing the Vette to a Capri and then bragging about the Vette.
By lifting the front you also get some weight transfer that makes the front lighter because you have a better weight transfer front to rear. When the front is lower this causes the front to scrub more in turns this along with the squat you get from a light coil makes for some weird results. I always compared the handling to riding a large rubber ball.
By lifting the front and getting the coil to load at a faster rate we have ENHANCED the handling of the bike you can corner better you can back off the throttle in a turn without the bike feeling like it is rolling over. It will also turn a tighter circle because the scrub on the front is not as bad.
We were able to obtain lift WHILE inproving the handling.
In the comment about the Vette I agree with his assumptions about the handling and will agree he is correct when you are speaking of cornering only. I just want to make this point; While at Superlift we built a 12 inch lift for the early solid axle Chevys. New Jersey was doing everything they could to get lifted trucks banned from the highway. A gentleman with the state built a "tilt table" that all lifted trucks had to pass prior to getting an inspection sticker. Equipped properly with parts we designed and running the tires and wheels we suggested a 12" chevy scored higher on the table than stock trucks. Please do not think I am suggesting that a 12" lifted truck will corner like a Vette just you can make a lot of things happen if you know what you are doing.
Bottom line is it all depends on what you want the vehicle to do, how it will be used and for what.
Please excuse the mis-spelled words. I am in a bit of a hurry this AM but I thought I would comment on the thread.
The main problem with the Griz is the front is too soft, the coil rate is only 100# per inch, this causes the front to feel like it is rolling under as you turn. I also read a statement as to a Corvette's handling. A Corvette has very firm suspension to allow you to corner without any squat on the outside plus they have a very heavy sway bar which comes into play to keep the platform level and controlable. Not a good comparison, this is like comparing the Vette to a Capri and then bragging about the Vette.
By lifting the front you also get some weight transfer that makes the front lighter because you have a better weight transfer front to rear. When the front is lower this causes the front to scrub more in turns this along with the squat you get from a light coil makes for some weird results. I always compared the handling to riding a large rubber ball.
By lifting the front and getting the coil to load at a faster rate we have ENHANCED the handling of the bike you can corner better you can back off the throttle in a turn without the bike feeling like it is rolling over. It will also turn a tighter circle because the scrub on the front is not as bad.
We were able to obtain lift WHILE inproving the handling.
In the comment about the Vette I agree with his assumptions about the handling and will agree he is correct when you are speaking of cornering only. I just want to make this point; While at Superlift we built a 12 inch lift for the early solid axle Chevys. New Jersey was doing everything they could to get lifted trucks banned from the highway. A gentleman with the state built a "tilt table" that all lifted trucks had to pass prior to getting an inspection sticker. Equipped properly with parts we designed and running the tires and wheels we suggested a 12" chevy scored higher on the table than stock trucks. Please do not think I am suggesting that a 12" lifted truck will corner like a Vette just you can make a lot of things happen if you know what you are doing.
Bottom line is it all depends on what you want the vehicle to do, how it will be used and for what.
Please excuse the mis-spelled words. I am in a bit of a hurry this AM but I thought I would comment on the thread.
Thank you for the detailed explanation! I would love to try out a lifted 700. Just to experience the handlling difference. As you stated though, it's all on what you ride and your perceived idea of comfort. I added stiff riding biltseins to my truck that also leveled the front end. I like the ride but others may not. If you're planning to mud and ride with larger tires, then the benefits of a lift go without saying. Or would say people such as myself who are just an average trailrider with 25" tires that likes to ride at fast paces from time to time would benefit?XPATV said:
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Well said! Thanks!
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the bike looks good man. i am going to lift mine this summer.
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I am sure you won't be disappointed with the Xtreme Products lift. I love mine more everytime I ride. You can come over and take a ride on my grizz to see how it handles.
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