I love the added stall my maroon spring gave my Brute. I just upped my idle with the Copperhead so the stall is the same as stock but much more forceful. Best $20 mod I ever did other than snorkels
best bang for the buck performance!
I've just installed the best bang for the buck performance mod that I've done yet on the Project-X Renegade 800. The Dalton Clutch kit is amazing!!! Holy hell! Had the clutch work on the Grizzly noticed such an improvement, it would have been a different machine all together but wow.
I gotta say that for the MSRP of $219, I have not seen a performance gain like this on the Gade or my Grizzly 700. The bottom end gain is amazing as well as mid-range. Haven't been able to take it anywhere yet to run top-end to see how that was effected but so far it is quite amazing.
The clutch engagement went from 1650 RPMs to 2050 RPMs. Alothough that seems like it would be annoying, it's actually pretty nice to roll off the start like that.
I gotta say that for the MSRP of $219, I have not seen a performance gain like this on the Gade or my Grizzly 700. The bottom end gain is amazing as well as mid-range. Haven't been able to take it anywhere yet to run top-end to see how that was effected but so far it is quite amazing.
The clutch engagement went from 1650 RPMs to 2050 RPMs. Alothough that seems like it would be annoying, it's actually pretty nice to roll off the start like that.
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Yeah I wish Dyna was making a Copperhead unit for the Gade but they aren't as of yet, nor is anyone else making any type of programmer. Stinks!
Good to hear the kit is working as good for you as it does for me on the Outty. Can't wait to read your review.
On the programer, they don't make them, but do they need them? Who can keep up as it is? ;;s;;
On the programer, they don't make them, but do they need them? Who can keep up as it is? ;;s;;
Why wouldn't you want your engines timing and stoichiometry perfectly optimized?Good to hear the kit is working as good for you as it does for me on the Outty. Can't wait to read your review.
On the programer, they don't make them, but do they need them? Who can keep up as it is? ;;s;;
Many can keep up, really just depends on the rider.
I may change my best bang for the buck mod and go with break in mileage. Every time I go ride the Brute has gotten stronger. 550 miles and I now hit 59-60mph on our dragstrip and I remember only being able to hit 54-55mph a few hundred miles ago.
You'd better go back to the Polaris Board big guy.Why wouldn't you want your engines timing and stoichiometry perfectly optimized?
Many can keep up, really just depends on the rider.
In all fairness. I was joking (about the Polaris thing too). I would love to see someone do something for the Gade/Outty in the programmer dept as well. Just trying to have a lil fun.
You'd better go back to the Polaris Board big guy.
Oh here we go again, I was in know way challenging the Gade or Outy against my 1000+ pound RZR.
But if were getting in a rider vs rider, I would put my little old antiquated 700 up against your big bad state of the art 800 any day of the week big boy. ;;s;;
This is an interesting little tinking contest you girls have going on. I will say that if a good rider was riding the Grizz you are referring to and a decent rider was riding a Gade or Outty, the power difference between the 700 and the 800 would have that only decent rider far enough ahead that the better rider on the 700 would be really working it to keep up. Now on a drag strip, identical riders, there just would be no comparison.
As for the need for a programmer of some form, as GW said, it is to have things running optimally which results in better performance. I cannot believe you would even ask if they NEED more power. Of course they do. There is always a need for MORE speed.
As for the need for a programmer of some form, as GW said, it is to have things running optimally which results in better performance. I cannot believe you would even ask if they NEED more power. Of course they do. There is always a need for MORE speed.
what kind of clutch work did you have done to your grizzly? i have different weights in mine right now but im always looking for improvements.
Machined sheave and a lot of weight changes. I did a full write-up of all the weight combinations. Here it is. The first post has some good charts I attached to it.
i spent alot of time reading that thread before. lol. anybody have the epi clutch kit? i heard the stock grizzly 700 wet springs are heavy enough. wonder if this kit is any good?
Ignorantly when I did the clutch weight install, I misread the directions as for the need for the rivets based on your setup. When I was working on the Dalton clutch installation today and retyped the different setups, I realized I was supposed to use the rivets on mine and hadn't. I was impressed without them. I just tore it back down and have them inserted. About to throw it back together. I can't imagine what kind of difference I will see now. Yippee!!
It is amazing how much easier it is to remove this clutch, change weights and get it back together that the grizzly. Although I could do the Grizzly in 32 minutes from start to finish, I can do this one in under 15. That includes removing and reinstalling the side cover.
It is amazing how much easier it is to remove this clutch, change weights and get it back together that the grizzly. Although I could do the Grizzly in 32 minutes from start to finish, I can do this one in under 15. That includes removing and reinstalling the side cover.
Now that we're back on track (sorry guys, couldn't resist jabbing at GW), I couldn't agree with Buster more. Everything he has said about the dalton I will voucher for. As for the other guys. I'm not sure I'm willing to give them a chance. I wouldn't want to loose what I gained with this kit.
Well I certainly was not talking about the 700 Grizzly. That thing was a slug, but you could run all day over a hundred miles comfortably.This is an interesting little tinking contest you girls have going on. I will say that if a good rider was riding the Grizz you are referring to and a decent rider was riding a Gade or Outty, the power difference between the 700 and the 800 would have that only decent rider far enough ahead that the better rider on the 700 would be really working it to keep up. Now on a drag strip, identical riders, there just would be no comparison.
Well damn, if we were mismatching rides, i would put my 1986 250R 3-wheeler up against my Gade or the Outty but that would hardly be a fair match either. The V-Force is much lighter and designed to race. The Gade and the Outty, although both are fast outta the box, aren't built with the same intent, on top of having a lot more crap on board that ads to weight.
Strip all the excess weight off the Gade-X with differentials and everything else, you may have your hands full there chief.
Strip all the excess weight off the Gade-X with differentials and everything else, you may have your hands full there chief.
Like I said, I was never talking about the machine I was talking about the ability to out ride someone on a superior machine. "rider skill".;;s;;
Hey Buster,
how smooth is the engagement at just off throttle with the new clutch? How well will it work for rock crawling?
And on the rider skill vs machine debate, ... my vote goes for rider skill winning except for with the most extreme differences in machine capability. There was a dirt bike magazine that did a test to try and settle this issue. They took your average amature class racer and had them ride a new Suzuki RMZ 450 motocross bike, and they had him race Ryan Hughes (professional racer) and had the pro rider ride different Suzuki dirt bikes. They raced on a national motocross track with long straights, whoops, huge double and triple jumps, ... the usual pro level track.
RMZ 450 vs RMZ 450 = no contest, the pro killed the amature.
RMZ 450 vs RMZ 250 = no contest, the pro won by a huge margin again.
RMZ 450 vs RM 85 = no contest, the pro still won by a huge margin.
RMZ 450 vs entry level 250 cc four stroke dual sport bike = the pro still won.
RMZ 450 vs entry level 125 cc four stroke dual sport bike = the pro still won, by a small margin.
3TV
how smooth is the engagement at just off throttle with the new clutch? How well will it work for rock crawling?
And on the rider skill vs machine debate, ... my vote goes for rider skill winning except for with the most extreme differences in machine capability. There was a dirt bike magazine that did a test to try and settle this issue. They took your average amature class racer and had them ride a new Suzuki RMZ 450 motocross bike, and they had him race Ryan Hughes (professional racer) and had the pro rider ride different Suzuki dirt bikes. They raced on a national motocross track with long straights, whoops, huge double and triple jumps, ... the usual pro level track.
RMZ 450 vs RMZ 450 = no contest, the pro killed the amature.
RMZ 450 vs RMZ 250 = no contest, the pro won by a huge margin again.
RMZ 450 vs RM 85 = no contest, the pro still won by a huge margin.
RMZ 450 vs entry level 250 cc four stroke dual sport bike = the pro still won.
RMZ 450 vs entry level 125 cc four stroke dual sport bike = the pro still won, by a small margin.
3TV
I had no idea you were a threewheeler crazy like me thats cool as hell. Someday I'll have to ride my '86 350x down south and we'll race. Check out my pics in the garage section,more on the wayWell damn, if we were mismatching rides, i would put my 1986 250R 3-wheeler up against my Gade or the Outty but that would hardly be a fair match either. The V-Force is much lighter and designed to race. The Gade and the Outty, although both are fast outta the box, aren't built with the same intent, on top of having a lot more crap on board that ads to weight.
Strip all the excess weight off the Gade-X with differentials and everything else, you may have your hands full there chief.
how fast does that 250R go on the top. I have a 350x 62 mph it has superttrap exhaust all is stock other than that. I know the 250x were alot faster liquid cooled. Is there any easy mods out there for my 350xWell damn, if we were mismatching rides, i would put my 1986 250R 3-wheeler up against my Gade or the Outty but that would hardly be a fair match either. The V-Force is much lighter and designed to race. The Gade and the Outty, although both are fast outta the box, aren't built with the same intent, on top of having a lot more crap on board that ads to weight.
Strip all the excess weight off the Gade-X with differentials and everything else, you may have your hands full there chief.
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