Spend money on education instead of lobbying for foolish ideas.
ATV study makes recommendations for safer riding
ATV study makes recommendations for safer riding
Feb 11, 2008 @ 06:50 PM
Herald-Dispatch.com
CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) — A study conducted at the governor’s request says deaths and injuries related to all-terrain vehicle use could be reduced if lawmakers move to further restrict the vehicles from West Virginia’s paved roads.
“It just reinforces everything safety advocates have been saying the last four years, one of the most important things we can do is prohibit them from paved roads and for all riders to wear helmets,†said Karen Coria, a lobbyist for the Specialty Vehicle Institute of America, which represents ATV manufacturers.
Gov. Joe Manchin asked for the study after lawmakers failed last year to amend the state’s 2004 ATV safety law to address the rising death toll involving the vehicles. The study was prepared by the Criminal Justice Statistical Analysis Center and Bureau for Public Health and presented to Manchin last week.
Click here for the full story: http://www.herald-dispatch.com/homepage/x112301973
Feb 11, 2008 @ 06:50 PM
Herald-Dispatch.com
CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) — A study conducted at the governor’s request says deaths and injuries related to all-terrain vehicle use could be reduced if lawmakers move to further restrict the vehicles from West Virginia’s paved roads.
“It just reinforces everything safety advocates have been saying the last four years, one of the most important things we can do is prohibit them from paved roads and for all riders to wear helmets,†said Karen Coria, a lobbyist for the Specialty Vehicle Institute of America, which represents ATV manufacturers.
Gov. Joe Manchin asked for the study after lawmakers failed last year to amend the state’s 2004 ATV safety law to address the rising death toll involving the vehicles. The study was prepared by the Criminal Justice Statistical Analysis Center and Bureau for Public Health and presented to Manchin last week.
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100% rightKoko said:Spend money on education instead of lobbying for foolish ideas.
We need more states to follow WV's model/feelings of ATV acceptance!
That's the info needed to make a logical choice. Most of these accidents are probably caused by improper riding, lack of safety gear and drugs/alcohol. Seatbelts and roll cages won't solve any of those issues. As the saying goes: "You can't fix stupid." Don't let the poor choices of a select few effect the vast majority of the responsible ATV owning community.Manchin spokeswoman Lara Ramsburg said legislators were having difficulty moving forward on ATV safety without knowing what caused most of the accidents.
You are right Glenn. Most of the accidents we hear about here in the state alchohol is involved. Don't quote me bu my guess it is over 75% of the accidents and deaths. Problem is the people who are tallying the statistics are not looking at the drivers or driving conditions.Glenn said:That's the info needed to make a logical choice. Most of these accidents are probably caused by improper riding, lack of safety gear and drugs/alcohol. Seatbelts and roll cages won't solve any of those issues. As the saying goes: "You can't fix stupid." Don't let the poor choices of a select few effect the vast majority of the responsible ATV owning community.Manchin spokeswoman Lara Ramsburg said legislators were having difficulty moving forward on ATV safety without knowing what caused most of the accidents.
Here is some interesting information. I have not had the time to read through the entire report, but I did find that there is a little bias toward how the statistics are compiled. One think to note was there was not any mention of toxicology levels found in the blood. Nor is there any mention in the report as to the specifics of the accidents i.e. police or accident reports, alcohol or drugs suspected etc, etc.
Here is the report: http://www.atvsafetynet.org/helmkamp.pdf
Here is the report: http://www.atvsafetynet.org/helmkamp.pdf
Here is some more info that sums up some more info:
"Epidemiology of all-terrain vehicle (ATV) fatalities in West Virginia, 1999–2006
Aron J. Hall, DVM, MSPH, Epidemic Intelligence Service assigned to West Virginia Department of Health and Human Resources, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 350 Capitol Street, Room 125, Charleston, WV 25301, 304-558-5358, [email protected], Danae Bixler, MD, MPH, Infectious Disease Epidemiology Program, West Virginia Department of Health and Human Resources, 350 Capitol Street, Room 125, Charleston, WV 25301, and James Kaplan, MD, Office of the Chief Medical Examiner, West Virginia Department of Health and Human Resources, 619 Virginia Street W, Charleston, WV 25302.
Background: Since the 1990s, West Virginia (WV) has led the United States in per capita death rate from all-terrain vehicle (ATV) incidents, with rates eight times higher than the national average. Safety legislation enacted in 2005 attempted to curtail this trend by prohibiting ATV operation on selected paved roads and by requiring helmets for ATV riders aged <18 years. This study describes the epidemiology of ATV fatalities in WV during the previous 8 years.
Methods: WV death certificates for 1999–2006 with International Classification of Deaths (10th Rev.) (ICD-10) codes correlating to ATV unintentional injuries were identified. Descriptive analyses were performed to identify temporal trends and demographic variations.
Results: During 1999–2006, a total of 278 ATV fatalities occurred in WV. The greatest annual total occurred in 2006, with 60 ATV fatalities, approximately twice the annual average during the preceding 7 years of 31 (range: 14–43). Males accounted for 231 (81%) of fatalities. The average annual death rate for WV residents attributable to ATV incidents was 1.5/100,000, with adolescents aged 10–19 years exhibiting the highest rate (2.8/100,000) among all age groups. During the 8-year period, fatalities averaged a 20%/year increase. Half (139) of all ATV fatalities resulted from incidents occurring on public highways, rather than off-road incidents, with no significant difference in this trend before and after 2005.
Conclusions: Since 1999, ATV fatalities in WV have continued to increase, with little change observed since 2005 safety legislation. We recommend targeted community education efforts and improved ATV safety regulations. "
This was quoted from this article: http://apha.confex.com/apha/135am/techprogram/paper_146213.htm
"Epidemiology of all-terrain vehicle (ATV) fatalities in West Virginia, 1999–2006
Aron J. Hall, DVM, MSPH, Epidemic Intelligence Service assigned to West Virginia Department of Health and Human Resources, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 350 Capitol Street, Room 125, Charleston, WV 25301, 304-558-5358, [email protected], Danae Bixler, MD, MPH, Infectious Disease Epidemiology Program, West Virginia Department of Health and Human Resources, 350 Capitol Street, Room 125, Charleston, WV 25301, and James Kaplan, MD, Office of the Chief Medical Examiner, West Virginia Department of Health and Human Resources, 619 Virginia Street W, Charleston, WV 25302.
Background: Since the 1990s, West Virginia (WV) has led the United States in per capita death rate from all-terrain vehicle (ATV) incidents, with rates eight times higher than the national average. Safety legislation enacted in 2005 attempted to curtail this trend by prohibiting ATV operation on selected paved roads and by requiring helmets for ATV riders aged <18 years. This study describes the epidemiology of ATV fatalities in WV during the previous 8 years.
Methods: WV death certificates for 1999–2006 with International Classification of Deaths (10th Rev.) (ICD-10) codes correlating to ATV unintentional injuries were identified. Descriptive analyses were performed to identify temporal trends and demographic variations.
Results: During 1999–2006, a total of 278 ATV fatalities occurred in WV. The greatest annual total occurred in 2006, with 60 ATV fatalities, approximately twice the annual average during the preceding 7 years of 31 (range: 14–43). Males accounted for 231 (81%) of fatalities. The average annual death rate for WV residents attributable to ATV incidents was 1.5/100,000, with adolescents aged 10–19 years exhibiting the highest rate (2.8/100,000) among all age groups. During the 8-year period, fatalities averaged a 20%/year increase. Half (139) of all ATV fatalities resulted from incidents occurring on public highways, rather than off-road incidents, with no significant difference in this trend before and after 2005.
Conclusions: Since 1999, ATV fatalities in WV have continued to increase, with little change observed since 2005 safety legislation. We recommend targeted community education efforts and improved ATV safety regulations. "
This was quoted from this article: http://apha.confex.com/apha/135am/techprogram/paper_146213.htm
But they won't listen to the conclusion they came up with. :dontknow:
No they won't!Koko said:But they won't listen to the conclusion they came up with. :dontknow:
Here is some info I came up with from old data that did show drug and alcohol factors.
This was quoted from the CDC website
Now if you go to the statistical data"The info was compiled from 1986-1997 which in my opinion is too old. Many advances have been made to ATV's i.e. IRS and 4x4.
Of the 113 ATV-related deaths in West Virginia during 1985-1997, 100 (88%) occurred among males (Table_1). Age at death ranged from 18 months to 75 years (mean age: 29 years for males; 17 years for females); 18 (16%) persons were aged less than or equal to 12 years, and 11 (10%) were aged greater than or equal to 55 years.
The immediate cause of two thirds of deaths was trauma to the head or neck. Of the 74 persons who died from head or neck injuries, at least 55 (74%) were not wearing helmets at the time of the crash. Information on helmet use was not available for 17 (23%) deaths. In the remaining two (3%) deaths, one driver's helmet cracked when he hit a tree, and in the other case, the driver collided with a truck, and the impact forced the helmet off of his head. Other factors that may have contributed to ATV-related deaths included alcohol or drug use (20% of cases), carrying passengers (25%), and excessive speed (10%)."
And tally up the total deaths it shows 226
The number of alcohol related deaths total 46 out of the 226 which totals 20.4%
The number of deaths where alchohol was not involved or reported 180 or 79.6%.
My question is how many deaths went un-reported that alchohol or drugs were a factor.
Seems to me that before laws are enacted there needs to be more accurate data collected.
Along with this info I have found this as well.
Taken from this source: http://www.herald-dispatch.com/homepage/x1646976492
Here's a look at the issues that Helmkamp and others, including ATV riders, contribute to safety problems with ATVs.
Alcohol and drugs
Helmkamp said 30 percent of the people who have died this year had taken drugs or alcohol. Because it is a recreational activity, Helmkamp said many people don't see the danger in mixing alcohol and drugs with ATV riding. Enforcement, he said, is difficult because local authorities cannot catch inebriated ATV riders with checkpoints, as they can with automobile drivers.
Fekete has found that alcohol plays a major role in the injuries that occur on the trails. Though it is not allowed on the 600 miles of ATV trails in Southern West Virginia, Fekete said alcohol still factors into accidents.
Jeff Scott, volunteer fire chief for Upper Township, Ohio, said alcohol is the number one reason for accidents in his area. Scott said he regularly rescues ATV riders from the Wayne National Forest ATV trials in Hanging Rock.
"I've hauled a lot of people out of there who haven't had a drink, but we've hauled a lot more out that have alcohol in their system," Scott said.
Scott and his department has hauled so many ATV riders out of the trails that he has designed and built a rescue tow-along that carries the riders to safety.
There used to be a site that had good statistics on it. I want to see it was from Wisconsin? It used to list deaths, how they happened and if there were drugs and or alcohol involved. Sadly, in may of the cases, it was a lack of gear, impropper riding (riding on the street) drugs or alcohol.
Here we go gents. Not the most "uplifting" reading:
http://dnr.wi.gov/org/es/enforcement/safety/atvstats.htm
Take a look at how many of these were preventable by: nixing the alcohol and/or wearing a helmet. I had to sound crass, but you can't fix stupid. In most of these cases, these accidents were highly preventable. It's not like the ATV forced the rider to not wear a helmet, ride on the road or pound down a 6 pack.....
http://dnr.wi.gov/org/es/enforcement/safety/atvstats.htm
Take a look at how many of these were preventable by: nixing the alcohol and/or wearing a helmet. I had to sound crass, but you can't fix stupid. In most of these cases, these accidents were highly preventable. It's not like the ATV forced the rider to not wear a helmet, ride on the road or pound down a 6 pack.....
Your are very right Glenn. One good thing that may come out of this new soon to be law in WV is the fact of better collection of crash data. The only time they find out if it was alcohol related in WV is when they crash and the 12 pack cooler spills.
Last year, I was heavily involved with a group trying to get legal riding in CT (another long story). In speaking with various reporters, I always brought up how the media never reported on the concrete facts...like if the rider was wearing a helmet, if they had been drinking...or if they were riding two up...or on the road. I often said that ATVs, like anything in life, are safe; as long as you act responsibly. The reporter I spoke to ended up doing an article on ATV use. He referenced a previous ATV fatility AND mentioned that the rider was on the road and not wearing a helmet; a fact that had been glossed over in past reports.
It keeps being said that we "can't fix stupid". While this is funny and I too have used the phrase, it is just the oppisite. Stupid can be fixed. It can be fixed by education (teaching + learning = intelligence) and it can be fixed by laws and the enforcement of laws. Of those two choices education is the most appealing to our sport but new laws are the most appealing to Government.
Something HAS to be done. Our Government will not allow people to continue to kill themselves and others. Is the sport offering a solution? Is there an alliance to help combat this issue? The NRA was established to help preserve our rights to keep firearms, what does the ATV Community have?
I could see where a something like ARED (ATV Riders Educational Develpoment) or AAONA (ATV Association of North America) needs to be formed and pushed. I'm assuming nothing like this is in existance at this time and if it is, it obviosly isn't very aggressive. If something like this were formed I feel that our rights would be better preserved and eventually (probably) expanded. I understand the logistics of something like this are phenominal, but don't you think all of the ATV Manufactures would be all over supporting us? After all, it's their pockets that will be affected when ATV sales drop when people who do not own land can not purchase ATV's because there is no where to ride.
Just a thought to toss around.
Something HAS to be done. Our Government will not allow people to continue to kill themselves and others. Is the sport offering a solution? Is there an alliance to help combat this issue? The NRA was established to help preserve our rights to keep firearms, what does the ATV Community have?
I could see where a something like ARED (ATV Riders Educational Develpoment) or AAONA (ATV Association of North America) needs to be formed and pushed. I'm assuming nothing like this is in existance at this time and if it is, it obviosly isn't very aggressive. If something like this were formed I feel that our rights would be better preserved and eventually (probably) expanded. I understand the logistics of something like this are phenominal, but don't you think all of the ATV Manufactures would be all over supporting us? After all, it's their pockets that will be affected when ATV sales drop when people who do not own land can not purchase ATV's because there is no where to ride.
Just a thought to toss around.
I agree with you Sarge. Here is a site im sure you have seen before but maybe others would like to visit. NOHVCC
Actually Bandit, I had never heard of this group. Thanks for sharing it with us. When I get an extra minute I will check them out thoroughly. I will quote myself here though;
"I'm assuming nothing like this is in existance at this time and if it is, it obviosly isn't very aggressive."
The reason I say this is that I've never heard of them before and they are not involved in ANY law issues that I'm currantly following. We need a very active and aggressive group to engage conservation and expansion of our sport/pass time/hobby.
Honestly I know that I am being pretty unfair to this group and I will research this group when I get the time to dedicate to it (shouldn't be too long). For the sake of the sport, I hope this organization is for real.
"I'm assuming nothing like this is in existance at this time and if it is, it obviosly isn't very aggressive."
The reason I say this is that I've never heard of them before and they are not involved in ANY law issues that I'm currantly following. We need a very active and aggressive group to engage conservation and expansion of our sport/pass time/hobby.
Honestly I know that I am being pretty unfair to this group and I will research this group when I get the time to dedicate to it (shouldn't be too long). For the sake of the sport, I hope this organization is for real.
I talked to there Ohio Rep. And he helped and pointed me in the right direction on starting my club. Gave me a lot of good advise.
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