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The ATV Torture Review Crew has just added a 2009 Can-Am Renegade 800 to its ATV test fleet. Stay tuned for future product reviews as we enhance the potential of this bad boy. Here's what we're starting with:




Ricochet Off Road has already helped us with a set of their high quality skidplates, and will be the first review. Also in the works, a Warn 3.0 winch, ... and more.

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All I gotta say is bad arse ride 3TV. I love it!
 

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GRIZZLYWIZARD said:
Very nice machine. What was your most deciding factor when compared to the 800X? I am just curious.
There were two reasons I went with the red Renegade over the X Renegade.

1) I had spent quite a while researching the standard Renegade and the Renegade X. From what I could gather, the X model had significantly better suspension, but was still not equal to what the aftermarket can provide. I figured I could put the extra $1000 the X would have cost toward a set of Elka's, and end up with more performance in the end.

2) My last Bombardier ATV was a 2005 DS 650, in the same Viper Red color. That ATV has remained as my all time favorite ATV, even after owning several other ATVs since then. I used it for desert racing, and for that purpose it worked very well. The size and handling characteristics of the DS 650 complemented my riding style perfectly. It was like we were made for each other, and it reminded me of the decade worth of CR 500 dirt bikes I had raced on, in the past. The CR 500 was kind of crude and unrefined, but brutally strong, and never needed repairs. The DS 650 was the same way, kind of crude, but brutally strong. It was bulletproof, you could roll the thing, tumble it end over end, and you couldn't hurt it. And the 650cc Rotax power was the best power I've ever felt in an ATV, ... until this 800cc Rotax. A red Can Am had more sentimental value to me. I've been watching the yellow Renegades for two years now, but when I saw the red one on Can Am's web site it got my attention.

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Wow 3TV, that's quite profound. Great reasons I must say!

I often though that the 800X was just a little too much hype for the additional coin an would probably go to the standard model for much the same reasons you did. And I also think you picked a great color!
 

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I agree the color kicks :bootyshake: y spend more for stock when you can spend more for after market goodies. great choice of a rocket to carry your a$#$ around the trail Im sure it may come close to comparing to your old cr 500's in durability and power.
 

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We sold our camo Grizzly 700, and I gave my wife my silver limited edition Grizzly 700. She always liked the pretty brushed metallic finish on the SE Grizzly more than her camo Grizzly anyway. It was a substantial upgrade for her, because she now gets the smooooooth riding Flexx handlebars, and the Ohlins suspension. She will like the adjustability of the Ohlins shocks, because when she is going to be riding it we can dial the compression damping full soft and make it ride like a Cadillac. Then if I decide to ride it for a day I'll just dial it back up to where I had it before. The clutch tuning on the SE Grizzly is a little more aggressive than the stock clutch on her Grizzly, but it is still super easy to control. And even the more aggressive clutch tuning on the SE Grizzly is super super mellow compared to the clutching on the Renegade.
 

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very nice cannot wait for ride report I love it.
 

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Ride Review:

My pretty, but camera shy wife and I took the ATVs to the Duck Creek ATV Trail System today for what ended up being a 57 mile trail ride. Duck Creek is located 30 miles east of Cedar City, UT, on highway 14, and the trail system ranges from 9,000 feet elevation to 11,300 feet elevation. I have had the chance to put the renegade through its paces, and it now has over six hours on the engine clock.

I must say that I am very impressed with this Can Am Renegade 800 R. The build quality of the whole ATV is superb. Can Am built this ATV to be tough. Just looking it over I noticed that the diameter of the axle shafts is half again larger than any Japanese ATV I've ever owned. The CV joints are bigger. The driveshafts and u-joints are huge, and more like what you are used to seeing on a half ton pickup truck instead of on an ATV. Even the fasteners that hold on parts like skid plates are absolutely ginormous compared to Japanese ATVs. It is no wonder that this "Sport 4x4" weighs 7 lbs more than the Yamaha Grizzly 700, and weighs the same as a Kawasaki Prairie 750. Can Am certainly did not skimp on the strength of the components on this ATV.

Here are some pictures from todays ride:


The staging area, at Duck Creek Campground.







 

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How to describe this ATV? That is the question. Let me start by saying that I come from a dirt bike racing background, and spent more than a decade of my youth desert racing and motocross racing dirt bikes. When our son's grew old enough to start riding we decided to make the switch to ATVs, and have been ATVers for the last ten years. I have struggled to find an ATV that has the performance characteristics that I wanted, and I think I have tried most of them in the last decade. I've owned a dozen sport quads, and at least a dozen utility ATVs, and none of them were really what I was looking for. I started to think that the song by U2 "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For" was a good description of my search for the perfect ATV. The person in the song had climbed mountains, crossed the sea, and done everything he could think of to find what he was looking for, and still hadn't found it. I tried every sport quad and sport utility quad that was worthwhile, and none of them were what I was looking for. I tried two Rhino side by sides, one of which has $10,000 worth of aftermarket suspension and other mods on it, and the side by sides certainly were not what I was looking for. WAY too slow, and there is something about being able to sit on the machine and RIDE it, as opposed to sitting in it and driving it, that is important to me. My Rhino just sold on ebay this morning, so it is out of the picture now. I even went back to dirt bikes, and after an almost 20 year absence from the sport I started desert racing again. I only signed up in the over 45 amature class, but I did manage to win three of the five races I entered. The dirt bikes had the performance I wanted, but the dirt bikes weren't what I was really looking for either. The old body just takes too long to recover from injuries, and even just from the abuse of what are very punishing endurance races.

Well, ... I have finally found what I was looking for. The Renegade 800 R has the all time best power, and the most power, of any ATV I've had the chance to ride. Most big bore 4x4 ATVs accelerate fairly good up to about 35 mph or so, and then start to fall off in acceleration. Not so with the Renegade; this thing rips, all the way up to and beyond 65 mph. It just keeps on accelerating harder and harder the faster you go. The engine is just marvelous. I love it. And there is plenty of power, even when riding at 11,000 ft elevation. The fuel injection and ignition map are perfect, with no stalling problem just off idle, and no mid-range miss like the Grizzly. Finally an ATV manufacturer that has the guts not to detune the crap out of an ATV engine, just to make it "safe" for ATV riders.

I've spent $2000 on Ohlins shocks for our Grizzly 700, and they made an incredible improvement to that ATV. The stock Renegade 800 R is better! It's not as plush at slow speeds over rocks, but the faster you go the better it gets. It is very easy to get to the point where you start to think that the kind of speed you are carrying, while racing across jagged rocks, tree roots, etc., just can't be good for the other components on the ATV, like tie rods, steering spindles, etc. Try that with a Rhino side by side, and you're going to break every part on that Rhino. Been there, done that. But the suspension on the Renegade just keeps getting better and better, the more you push it. The suspension is very impressive for a stock ATV.

Handling is better than any 4x4 ATV I've ever ridden. Its not even close; nothing else is even in the same league, let alone the same ballpark. This ATV feels like it has a very low center of gravity, and just does not feel tippy at any time (even when you've got a rear tire too high in the air). It carves corners and powerslides as good as some sport quads. It feels smaller and lighter than it is. It doesn't feel like it weighs more than a Grizzly, it feels smaller and lighter. And it is smaller, ... Our Renegade is 3" narrower than our Grizzly 700, and it is easier to ride on tight trails because of that. It surprises me that a narrower ATV feels so much more solidly planted, and so stable, but it does.

I don't know what else to say about this ATV. It is the best ATV for my type of riding that I have ever owned. Way to go Can Am.
 

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Great pics 3TV and it looks like you had a blast.

Tell the wife not to be so camera shy. You really go full gear when you go for a ride don't ya. Now I must ask: Did ya buy all new gear when you got the Gade so everything would match. I remember you having a plethora of helmets, but I don't recall seeing a red one on the board in your garage. My friends always told me if ya can't ride good, look good, so it looks like you're doing both.

Congrats again!
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Buster,
here is a video my wife took today. It shows the four wheel drive system working as I power out of a small mud hole. Both front tires seem to pull pretty evenly most of the time with the Can Am visco-lock front differential.
http://s80.photobucket.com/albums/j175/ps3tv/Renegade%20Project%20Quad/?action=view&current=MOV01134.flv

There were a very few instances today when one front tire would turn about one revolution without the other front tire turning, but otherwise they both pull. The good part about the visco lock system is that the steering is always predictable. A full locker like on the Grizzly can really mess with steering in situations where full power is applied to only one tire with traction. I've had the Grizzly really hook to the side that has traction a few times, and vear to that side so severly that I almost couldn't control it, even with power steering. The Can Am system never does that, but the down side is that it will rarely, and briefly, spin just one front tire for about one turn.

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Believe it or not, those are the riding gear that I had back in 2005 when I had the red DS 650. I just dug them out of the closet to use for the new ATV.

And I have to thank my wife for coming with me today and taking most of the pictures. She is getting to be quite the rider. There was a real fun section of trail that had a whole series of water dams built across it. They were like huge g-outs with a jump after each g-out, and most of them were cut across the trail at an angle. I had a great time flying the Renegade through that section, and really pushed it hard coming through there. Right after that section we stopped in the lava rocks to take that last picture, and my wife wasn't all that far behind me. She had to be cooking it pretty good through those g-outs. I noticed that she was favoring one leg when walking around in the lava rock area, and I asked her what was wrong. She said she had "tweaked" her knee on one of those g-outs, and then she stopped, and looked me right in the eye and said with complete seriousness ... "I didn't know a Grizzly could fly that high"! LOL, what a gal.

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You lucky dog. I made my wife ride my daughter down our driveway one day and she was scared it was gonna turn over backwards on about a 20 degree incline of concrete. GIRLS!!!!
 

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Great write-ups 3TV. That quad looks incrediably fun. I got to test drive an 08 Gade X when I was in MS waiting for a ride. LOL. I can attest that the power these machines generate is magnificent. I haven't done any research on this, but from your write-up I gather the main difference (mechanical) between the X and R is the suspension? What model year differences are there? Did Bombardier do anything different for 09?

Again, great write-ups, great pics, nice vid, and I'm glad you "found what you were looking for". ;;t;;
 

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The main difference between the regular Renegade and the Renegade X is the supsension. The Renegade X also comes from the factory with skid plates and hand gaurds on it. I would bet that the Renegade X is an amazing ATV. I bought the regular Renegade because I have never ridden a sport utility ATV that had adequate suspension, and I didn't think the Renegade X would be adequate either, ... so why spend the extra money on it. Well after riding the regular Renegade, and seeing how good its suspension is, I have re-thought my opinion on that. I would bet that the Renegade X would be just fine in the suspenion department, and that you would not need aftermarket suspension with that ATV.

For 2009 Can Am increased the size of the air filter, improved the intake manifold, changed the camshaft, and changed the clutch tune. They wanted to make the low end more managable in technically demanding terrain, and they wanted more top end power and faster acceleration. Top end horsepower is increased by 9%, and they claim 0 to 60 mph acceleration is almost one full second faster with the '09 Renegade, compared to an '08 Renegade. I have no way of verifying that, but the '09 Renegade does feel really good the whole way through its powerband.
 
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