Outlander vs Renegade... - Page 2

**BATTLEGUN** · #11 (**permalink**) 08-31-2009, 05:50 AM

I think maybe the excess suds caused me to type in circles previously

Put your probable uses on a scale. If utility chores out weigh the fast and furious ones get the Outlander. It will offer more utility opportunities such as carring cargo boxes, bags, extra fuel, weapons, tree stands, hay, etc, etc. Then when you're done feeding the herd or you've blazed the trail to the top, you can take off your load and rip like a wild man. The power is there.

On the flip, if you only will pull a trailer every now and again, will never go far enough to require a box and extra fuel, or will never need to haul much of anything, I'd seriously consider the gade.

**1Bad1000Xxc** · #12 (**permalink**) 08-31-2009, 08:59 AM

Being a ReneGade-X owner and someone that has ridden tight trails with an 09 Outty, I would say he did very well and never straggled behind.

Also, me having come off of a Grizzly 700, the absence of racks to me is a real hindrence at times. Although not often, I do occassionally need to carry my chainsaw or corn to my deer feeder. Without racks, that sux. However, I do love my Gade.

I agree with Battlegun that you need to way the pros and cons of what your main uses will be and make your decision based on that.

If you would just occassionally need to store stuff onboard, I agree with the others that you could get the small BRP rear rack or one of the PRM racks for that and mount it up as needed.

Buster

Aegis0047 · #13 (**permalink**) 08-31-2009, 10:06 AM

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Getting sick from exhaust fumes!

Now we need to get some of those Gade riders to post their thoughts.

Uh oh! If that happens...it might be one sided! j/k.

Thanks for the replys guys. The twop things that stuck out at me were the comments about the clutch and the work out at high speeds. Does anyone know if Can-am worked out this issue for the 2010 model? Not that I don't mind doing a mod myself...but for that money, we really shouldn't have to.

So, saying that it is a work out at high speeds, is it that unstable that you are constantly keeping it straight? Does the power steering for the '10's help this at all that you've heard of?

Thanks for the help guys. As for weighing the P's&C's...one way or another, I'll probably wish I went with the other quad. lol. The outty appeals to me for the workability of it, but I don't work on a farm. There is some stuff that I could use the outty for up at the cabin and around the house that the Gade shouldn't do...with it's 30lb. limit rack. But for trail riding, I do like to get a little air once and a while. Ugh...Thinking about it, the P&C's are probably right in the middle. Anyone have a coin?

Thanks again, any questions and comments are definately appreciated!

**1Bad1000Xxc** · #14 (**permalink**) 08-31-2009, 10:14 AM

I can't respond regarding the workout at high speeds personally b/c I don't notice that. On my 09, I notice a workout at low speed purely b/c the Grizzly I came off of had power steering and the 09 Gade and Outty doesn't.

I did just receive a steering stabilizer for the Gade that is made by ProMotoBillet and Elka suspension that I am testing. If the comment about a workout at high speed was meant regarding riding over rough terrain and handlebar movement, the a stabilizer would certainly solve that. Although I cannot say that I even experience that any more than anything else I have ridden if I'm really in the gas in the rough stuff.

Buster

**BATTLEGUN** · #15 (**permalink**) 08-31-2009, 10:24 AM

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So, saying that it is a work out at high speeds, is it that unstable that you are constantly keeping it straight? Does the power steering for the '10's help this at all that you've heard of?

It's a work out at high speeds because the power is so pure. And it has never left me hurting, just knowing that I've been riding like an idiot. This is why the guys who race any quad with real power have handlebar upgrades, steering dampners, etc, etc. Also, in all fairness, I'm not a racer so my body isn't in tune lol. You can get air with the Outty. I wouldn't go extreme and I wouldn't tell the service department. If you adjust those shocks to the stiffest setting it should hold up to minor air time. If you want big air, I feel safe saying that even the Gade's suspension would need an upgrade to Elka, Crutchfielde, etc.

The power steering is bound to address the fatigue issue. I didn't even consider that because I was so focused on talking about my 09. The power steering "should" address the body fatigue quite well.

Bottom line, I love my Outlander. It is an all purpose sort of machine. I can throw my saw and chain on the rack, go cut a log and drag it back to camp or I can blast up the mountain throwing rocks for 1/4 mile with the sound of a stock car. It's just the right quad for me.

**1Bad1000Xxc** · #16 (**permalink**) 08-31-2009, 10:34 AM

OK, with that explanation of high speed fatigue from teh power, I can go with that. When I go riding at Durham Town, I push my skill level to the max in the tight trails without going overboard to put myself into an unsafe situation. I will say in doing that for 6 hours with minimal rest, I'm beat, but purely cuz I'm old, fat and out of shape.

To confirm something else you said, adding the FASST Flexx bars to my machine severely helped joint pain in my elbows and shoulders after this type of riding. I expect the steering stabilizer to help even more. Having power steering again would just be dreamy in every way.

Even with the suspension on my renegade-X, it has limitations, but it better than stock or the Outty. I still have some dialing to do as I bottomed it out pretty badly on a jump the other day running about 40mph and launching only about 2 feet off the ground.

I surely want Elkas again but man, that's some jack.......

HIGHOCTANE · #17 (**permalink**) 11-24-2009, 04:20 PM

The powersteering defintely helps the fatigue issue with regard to steering effort and kick back...the DPS is GREAT,makes fast riding a breeze! But nothing will cure the fatigue caused by having to hold on when riding hard in the throttle...when accelerating or cornering hard you still have to hold on..

**BATTLEGUN** · #18 (**permalink**) 11-24-2009, 04:24 PM

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The powersteering defintely helps the fatigue issue with regard to steering effort and kick back...the DPS is GREAT,makes fast riding a breeze! But nothing will cure the fatigue caused by having to hold on when riding hard in the throttle...when accelerating or cornering hard you still have to hold on..

Right on. This is why a fella should try to stay in shape.

800PowerMadd · #19 (**permalink**) 12-08-2009, 12:13 PM

If You Are A Speed Freak Like Me And Need Somthing With Great Power, Great Handeling, and don't need racks.(I must admit the minimal rear rack is't enough) And Need Suspension That Can Take Whatever You Dish Out Or If You Just Want Somthing That Looks Meaner Than Anything Else The Renegade X Is The Answer.
Though If Work Is You're Main Focus Or Just More Important Than Not, And Still Want The Most Impressive Motor In Any Class. Maybe You Want A Two-Up ATV Then Go With The Outlader.

**GRIZZLYWIZARD** · #20 (**permalink**) 12-08-2009, 12:20 PM

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Right on. This is why a fella should try to stay in shape.

I try to stay in shape. I decided to go with round.